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Ep 217 - Deepening Your Practice with Lynn & Ann Teachworth

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In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Lynn and Ann Teachworth, owners of Trunamics, to discuss how massage therapists can deepen their practice by looking to different modalities, understanding the design and function of the body, how the words we use impacts our clients, and what led them to create Trunamics.

Author Bio

Lynn has been in the bodywork, human performance, and energy medicine fields for over 30 years. He is certified in over 30 complementary medicine modalities. His clients include CEOs and presidents of many Fortune 500 companies as well as over 1,000 professional athletes in the areas of sports injuries and physical/mental performance. He is a 2018 inductee into the World Massage Hall of Fame and has been an instructor in massage therapy, energy modalities, and structural integration theory for over 17 years, teaching in eight different countries.

Ann has been working in integrative health, human performance, and movement for 15 years. She is an educator for massage therapists and yoga teachers, among other integrative and movement therapists, with an emphasis on embodied functional anatomy, kinesiology, and mindbody training. Her work with clients and students is fueled by a passion to help people understand and experience their design and function more fully so that they can think, move, and be more fully expressed and alive in their bodies and lives. 

Together Lynn and Ann teach advanced continuing education for massage and manual therapists through their company Trunamics.



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0:01:02.2 Darren Buford: I'm Darren Buford.

0:01:04.2 Kristin Coverly: And I'm Kristin Coverly.

0:01:05.6 DB: And welcome to the ABMP podcast, a podcast where we speak with the massage and bodywork profession. Our guests today are Lynn and Ann Teachworth. Lynn has been a licensed massage therapist for 25 years. He specializes in pain, sports injuries and sports performance. Lynn has certifications in structural integration, myofascial release, SourcePoint Therapy, trigger point therapy, craniosacral therapy, visceral manipulation and body talk. In addition to recovery, rehab and maintenance work, Lynn, also helps improve athletic performance. His clients include over 2000 professional athletes in the PGA, LPGA, NBA, NFL, and MLB. As a Franklin Method Educator, Certified Life Coach and integrated healthcare practitioner, Ann's work focuses on helping people understand and embody their design and function so that they can operate more fully and freely in their bodies, minds and lives. Ann draws on professional experience and education across multiple fields. Performance, integrative health and strategic business and personal development. She has a degree in Psychology and Pre-Med sciences, is a licensed massage therapist, registered yoga teacher and certified life coach. For more information about their work, visit

0:02:25.1 DB: Hello, Lynn and Ann, and hello, Kristin.

0:02:26.4 Ann Teachworth: Hi.

0:02:26.5 Lynn Teachworth: Hi.

0:02:27.3 KC: Hi, Ann and Lynn, and welcome to the ABMP podcast. We're so excited to have you here. Now, you are a dynamic partnership in life and in business, and you say that you approach things from different angles, which leads to a really integrative perspective. So we are all so curious. Tell us more about everything you do and how you combine all of your different skill sets to bring that to practitioners all across the world.

0:02:53.2 AT: Sure. Yeah, start with just a huge question. [laughter] Yeah, well, as you heard in our bios, Lynn and I both have a diverse background where we are... Individually, we both combine structural work, functional work, energetic work, and then we come together and bring all of those things together. Our company Trunamics, the name comes from the combination of the truth about the dynamics of the body. So Trunamics. And that's really our approach. This idea that when we understand the fundamental truths about the body then we can apply any technique more effectively to get the results that we want. And our approach is that we wanna work on multiple levels, not just one level, where maybe we're just looking at physical or just looking at movement, or just looking at energetic. We feel like all of those fundamental truths really reflect each other on all levels, and so we wanna work as comprehensively as possible so that we are working with the whole body, the whole being. You wanna add anything?

0:03:58.4 LT: Yeah. Well, yeah, of course. That kind of comes from our backgrounds and how we ended up here teaching for Trunamics is we did have that diverse background. And as for me, I grew up... My dad was kind of a chiropractic research type guy and did a lot of applied kinesiology and SOT. So I grew up getting drug around to seminars and the dinner table talk. Of course, I was the black sheep that wanted nothing to do with it and got a business degree. And then after graduating from the University of Nebraska, I moved to Dallas and had a horrible corporate job. But thank God, a drunk lady rear-ended me, and then I was going to a chiropractor that was, "Well, I've gotta see you three times a week and do the same thing over and over." And I was like, "Damn, what is this?" And he's like, "Well, that's mostly what's out there, but... " So my dad wanted me to find somebody to do tissue work and the chiropractor ended up sending me to a Rolfer and I walked in there going, "Okay, this is gonna be stupid. What's this?" And walked out and went... Mind blown... I'm going back to school.

0:04:58.5 LT: And so moved Florida, got my massage degree and went through that. But the one thing that I really was raised with is, "Hey, everybody's right, as far as their perspectives of how the body works, but always to look at it." And from there, getting into massage, like I said, was lucky enough to go through Tom Myers' very first structural integration training like 20 years ago. So shout out to Anatomy Trains. And just loved that work. And then I got into some energy medicine and different things. And because it had healed some stuff in me and my son had horrible allergies and things, and that cured him. So I kinda went down the energy route and taught that for 15 years all over the globe actually, and added to their protocols.

0:05:41.3 LT: And then one of my friends from the UK, when I was over there, was showing me some stuff with my body with function, and it really blew me away. And so I ended up training at the Gray Institute, which is the highest end functional biomechanics that you can learn. So a lot of what we're traditionally taught about how muscles in the body works isn't all that correct sometimes. So I went and plowed into another 1000 hour training, but it kind of came out how we kinda teach in Trunamics just saying, "Hey, God kind of created us on three levels." We have a physical body, we have a functional body, and we also have an informational level. Everybody calls it energy medicine, but it's really just information.

0:06:26.2 LT: And as therapists, a lot of time, we're just taught to work on one level of the body. And whether it's just, "Hey, we're releasing fascia." Okay. And so Ann and I started to notice it's like, well, a lot of people don't do function. And she's a Franklin Method Educator, so she's all about function and embodiment. And so that's how we teach the anatomy. But we saw a big gap in massage therapy where everybody still... And there's nothing wrong with this. I'm not saying everybody that teaches everything is great. And it's not like we came up with anything new. We're just combining the best of structural body work to really look at instead of trying to create better posture or relationships that way, which doesn't always help with pain. We try to help the body have better structure, but to create movement.

0:07:15.3 LT: And also looking if sometimes there's emotional patterns in there, congested energy, you know, things that can bother. So we like to go in and really help people to say, "Hey, let's look at it from this level and also this level and that level. And that's I think why we've had a lot of success working with a lot of professional athletes because people want results and whether you're just doing relaxation massage in a spa or super high-end sports energy or sports performance work, I think, the more you learn and the more angles you can look at it, the more you can help people. And so we never wanna stop learning. But Ann and I thought, Well, nobody's kinda teaching this functional biomechanics of the organs and how a tight large intestine can shut down your hip flexors, which will give you shoulder injuries and all that. So we thought, Well, let's start kind of filling in this niche especially in the sports and sports performance world 'cause there's a lot of great, great sports massage teachings out there. They're phenomenal but we wanted to add to it. Hey, if you're a Meta Athlete and their shoulder's hurt, is it because of their ankle or is it because of their hip?

0:08:27.2 LT: All those things can be true, so we like to teach more of the cause and why things are really happening from a functional perspective and a structural perspective and energetic because just getting results, you can't do the same protocol for every shoulder injury, so to speak. It's not gonna work.

0:08:46.5 KC: Podcast listeners, we have a theme for today's podcast and our theme is deepen. So Lynn, this first question goes to you. How do we deepen our practice?

0:09:00.1 LT: Well, if we had five days to answer that question, we can go down there. [laughter] I really think, and Ann will have a great answer to this, too. But for me, I think really just trying to master our crafts. It takes a long time and just really deepening our knowledge. 'Cause I see a lot of people at conventions and things that just go to the conventions to get their CEUs and things. And a lot of it is like, you should never stop learning. Just a lot of people... Well, we just take the class to get our CEUs, but it's kind of like any profession. If you wanna be good at it, you have to have a passion for it and the learning never stops. So I think just being open-minded. And a lot of us can tend to put ourselves in, Oh, I just do craniosacral therapy. Or, Oh, I just do structure integration. And that's all great, but you're missing out on a lot. So I think by deepening is looking at different modalities, different therapies, different opinions of how the body works to really do that. And of course, getting the work yourself is really key.

0:10:05.2 LT: I know for me, Ann always kind of chides me because I can be a little closed-minded. And, "Oh, this is the best thing, and that's the best thing." Like I just took a chronic healing class for the first time last month. And I do SourcePoint Therapy, body talk, Yuen Method, whatever else, I don't even know. All SourcePoint Therapy, all those energy things. But I have Lyme disease and fibromyalgia, so a big part of my life is spent in pain and here I thought, "Oh, I know the best of this and that, but I'm always hurting." And I get one chronic healing session and I felt great for a week. And I was kinda like, "Oh. And this is the easiest technique I've ever learned. I need to be humble." So I think just always being aware of what's in your body and learning and learning and being open-minded is the best way, from my point of view, is just always go deeper, 'cause there's a lot in there. There's a lot of brilliant people teaching a lot of great stuff.

0:10:57.5 AT: Yeah. And for me, it's two-fold. There is one aspect which is a big part of our education, which has to do with understanding the design and function of the body more. So we don't focus on fancy techniques. I don't think advanced work is based on some special technique or protocol, though those are valuable and helpful, and I'm glad people develop them. But step one is deepening your experience in your own body of anatomy and function. Like really do you know and sense and feel where the muscles are, how the joints articulate, how they're working relative to each other? And then when you have that clear and more embodied sense you're able to assess and address your client with that clearer understanding. And that's the information that's in your hands. Our work is informational and we're inviting a change in their body, not doing something to their body. So it's not like how do I get... How do I do something better to them? It's how do I create a space in which their body can heal better? So my first job is to get clear on understanding how the body even works. So a lot of our work is focused on that.

0:12:03.5 AT: Really specifically understanding anatomy, muscle function, design, joint, organs, exactly where they are, organ ligaments, all of these things. And that applies to energetic anatomy, also. The more you know, the more information that's in your hands that you are offering your client's body. And then the second factor is the breadth of your knowledge. So I use the analogy of a radio, like tuning the dial to a different station. And if you only have one main focus, you have one station you can tune to, one way to view the body. Like, "Great, I'm looking at them. I'm gonna look through the muscle lens." That's it.

0:12:39.8 AT: But if you've studied visceral work and you've done energetic work and you've done multiple modalities that are structure-focused, and you've done study that's functional-focused, then you have all of these different dials that you can tune into as you are observing your client. Or another analogy would be like, it's adding more instruments to your orchestra. Yeah, I can play really great on the guitar by myself... Actually I can't but one could play really well, have a little jam session. But you add more instruments to that and suddenly you have this rich experience. And so as a therapist, the more lenses you have, the more modalities you have to draw from, then you're integrating all of those things to create this rich, robust experience that's gonna be able to meet the client exactly where they are. No one thing is gonna be able to do everything for everyone. So the more we have in our toolbox and the more agility we have with applying those things, then the more opportunity we have to produce dynamic results with them.

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0:14:57.6 DB: Now, let's get back to the podcast. So Lynn and Ann, when you're trained in that many modalities and that many approaches, how do you know where to begin? Do you have your own set protocols that Trunamics has developed or that Lynn and Ann have developed? Can you tell us just a little bit what happens when you're meeting with clients for the first time and you're trying to figure out where to begin.

0:15:19.5 LT: Right. I think that's a wonderful question. We're not a big fan of protocols. I think it's important to learn a protocol when you're first like, "Oh, how do you treat a shoulder injury," or something. But that's okay. There's a lot of that out there. But like in a lot of our classes, we're more interested in teaching people how to think about things. Like Ann said, "Yeah, we're not gonna give you a big protocol." Of course, we'll give them to you, but I think the protocols that are important are what you're thinking at and what you're looking at. And so for me, I have a super busy practice, and sometimes it can be stressful if you have an NFL player. So he's like, "Hey, I hurt my ankle. I got two days." Things like that. And so you really have to take a step back and look at it. And that being said, I think, what is it that people are coming to you for? Right? Because a lot of our students have said it's like, "Oh, wow, after taking your classes our competition isn't so much massage therapists business, it's the chiropractors, the orthopedics and all that." Because most of the time, we have a better education than they do, we do on functional biomechanics and results. So we wanna think about what we can do.

0:16:30.6 LT: So when a client comes in to me, one of the most important questions I ask is, "What's your goal for today?" 'Cause he might be like, "Oh, my neck hurts. My shoulder's a little bad. My ankle, it's bad." I go, "Well, what are your goals for today? What do you wanna do?" And they might just say, "You know, I wish my ankle felt better 'cause I'm gonna go on and run this weekend with my kids." I'm like, "Okay, so I know what their goal is." And then I'm gonna put my lenses up, right? I'm gonna say, "Okay, well, I'm gonna do an assessment and see what their function's like." I'm gonna look at their structure in that I'm gonna get them on the table and kinda do an assessment for there. And then based on what their goals are, I'll do that. So I'm either doing that way and kind of saying, "Okay, based on my training, what do I think the best tool is?" Or also, I think, the training and body talk, the energetic medicine modality was really important in the aspect of you're testing the body for what it wants.

0:17:23.8 LT: Not like muscle testing. We have another way of doing it. And not testing for diagnosing them. Well, you have this and I'm gonna do that, and therefore we'll do this. It's more about testing for priorities. Like, "Hey, body, I have all of these tools. Which one do you think is gonna work best for you?" And kinda go with that. Because it's always very important to be humble and stay back, 'cause students are always amazed when they come in. It's like, "Well, what's it like getting everybody better all the time with these stuff?" I go, "Well, it's not that way." Right? I plan on about 85% results, but I'll tell you there's days coming home from work and like, "Oh, why couldn't I get this person's knee to feel perfect. What's going on? Oh, I suck at this."

0:18:07.8 LT: All those things that we get. But I really think it's great to really address the body and I'd be like, "Oh, flesh out this Meridian." Or, "Oh, you've got an ACL injury. Where'd that come from?" Oh, it's an abdominal lack of movement that's causing that. And so I think it's having all of those tools and looking, that is kind of the key. And really knowing what your client wants and then going and just throwing it against the wall. Okay, I cleared out the... You know, balanced the lower leg where most knee problems coming from. Did that help? What are you feeling? Okay, let's look at function. Now let's go there, so it's just keeping trying based on what it is. And so, protocols are hard to do.

0:18:50.8 AT: Yeah, it's the...

0:18:52.1 LT: It's just the protocol is, what are you looking for?

0:18:53.5 AT: So the humility to say anything goes. It could be anything. So that ankle thing could be gallbladder meridian, it could be the opposite wrist, it could be if you're moving forward, it could be right in the ankle, it could be retinaculum, it could be the talocrural joint, the subtalar joint. Anything goes, and there are all the things that I have that I'm holding in my toolkit, but then there are even things outside of my toolkit that I don't know, and those could also be the things for this person. So there are, Lynn likes to say, the usual suspects with any one thing. That's what we try to teach is like, "These are the relationships we start with when we're looking at a hip problem or a lower back problem," but we're always willing to stand back and say, "It could also be anything but we'll start with the usual suspects with the big rocks, and then we're treating and assessing simultaneously. You access, you treat, you access and then try the other layer, and the next layer, and the next layer, and somehow it usually all gets handled.

0:19:55.7 LT: Yeah, usually. We feel blessed because we do have a good education, and I've had so many great mentors to learn from, and really most things like I used to say, "Hey, if it's not broken or torn, we can take care of it."

0:20:10.4 KC: I'm curious, while we're talking about working with clients in our practice and our theme of deepening, how do you help clients deepen their experience in their session?

0:20:20.4 AT: So, my work with the Franklin Method, that's a somatic approach to improving function, basically using imagery, so it's a mind-body approach and recognizing that our mind is very important in what's happening in the body. So if I think tight muscles, tight muscles, tight muscles, those muscles feel tight and restrained. If I think flexible, loose, relaxed muscles, relaxed muscles, relaxed muscles. It's gonna move in that direction. And even as a therapist, the words we're using are impacting our clients bodies significantly. There's a little bit of a, I think, an addiction for therapists to go and find the knot and then be like, "Oh, this is so tight, isn't it tight? Do you feel how tight this is? Ooh, it's really restricted here." And then clients go to another therapist, then I have people come and they're like, "My therapist said, this is really tight." And then I'm like, "Well, what's your experience?" They're like, "I don't know, I'm not sure." They're not actually feeling their body. They're taking what someone else is putting on their body. And so I do a lot of client education, like if I'm gonna talk about a muscle or a joint or something, I'm trying to create movement in, I'm gonna show them an app. I think we both do this, right? We have anatomy apps that we really like, and we pull out and we say, "This is the thing we're talking about. Can you see how it would articulate like this?"

0:21:38.6 AT: We use bone models. This is the muscle, this is how it relates to this other thing. And when you explain, like Lynn said, we teach therapists how to think, but we also teach our clients how to think and explain to them why, how they're sitting all day or how they are moving or not moving, is impacting their body. And then they're like, "Why has no one ever explained this to me?" That I cannot answer. I do not know why people go get hip replacements. I'm like, "Did they explain how the hip joint works?" And they're like, "No, not really." I'm like, I don't understand, so I try to fill that in to educate them, not just wearing what it is, but then how something moves. So we, in our trainings, we teach different functional stretches, functional movement, and then we also do functional embodiment where we're having therapists feel what's happening in their own body, and then we do that with clients, as well. So when someone, say they have a shoulder injury, and we can re-educate them like, "Here's your scapula, here's how it's moving relative to your rib basket, can you experience that movement?" And then they have something that they can work with.

0:22:40.1 AT: Their nervous system has learned something new. If we're just pressing on people on a table, they might feel great for a few minutes after they get up and they walk, but then their nervous system is gonna reinitiate all the patterns it was already using unless we re-educate them in some other way. So the movement component with the mind... You can't just say, "Do this exercise," because then people just do an exercise with their original patterns. So it may or may not be accomplishing what you wanna accomplish. So we have to actually re-educate the nervous system, engage the nervous system in just natural, neutral embodiment design function, and then maybe we give them an exercise, but really maybe it's just like, "Notice your scapula. Be more aware. Let's get it mobilized." Something like that.

0:23:25.8 LT: Yeah, no, I agree 100% with Ann. And that's what a lot of our students have said, their practice grows a lot after, 'cause A, they're getting results, but they're like, "Wow, my clients love the fact that I explain how their body works to 'em. 'Cause people come in, it's like, "Oh, my upper traps and back are really sore," and if you've had structural or functional training, you go, "Okay, well, don't go loosen it up, 'cause it's the abs and the quad and hip flexors pulling you forward that they're fighting against. Go there first. And so when you have a client that's there, and I see this all the time, people blow out their ACL or their ankle, I'll say, "Okay, well, they've got you going through physical therapy. Did they explain to you how your knee works?"

0:24:05.1 LT: They're like, "Well, what do you mean?" I say, "Well, you're doing these exercises to create internal rotation. Did they explain to you how your tibia and your femur work?" "No." Okay, so it's kind of like, "Well, if I'm trying to get somebody better and they have no idea how their body works out doing all the exercises," it's like, it's not pointless, but it goes so much faster when they're like, "Oh, I'm trying to straighten my knee and to do that my tibia has to internally rotate it." So they go, "Oh," and then they can kind of embody it, and so be like, "Well, thank you so much." 'Cause you see so many people injured and keep getting the same thing, they like to go, "Well, why is this happening?" It's like, "Well, here's my favorite theories for you today," and people really like that because, right?

0:24:48.2 LT: One thing is my client... I'm so busy at work that I don't have time to see people three or four times for the same thing. That's one thing I miss about the old SI work that I love, is the 12 series sessions taking people through it. But if I did that, I would be booked out forever. So, I send people out for that and I love it, but it's the understanding of structure that you're taking to from the SI that you can't beat. You can't beat that education on looking at those relationships, and so, when clients feel like, "Wow, I left and I understand why my problem's happening," and now they almost kinda get mad like, "Well, why didn't everybody else tell me this?" I'm like, "Well, unfortunately, they don't know why." That's right, you can go to most people, "Why does my elbow hurt?" "I don't know, let's work on it." Well, it could be your hip, whatever, and I think it's the patient education or client education is what really helps people to get better.

0:25:40.9 AT: And the education is not the information. The education is the experience.

0:25:45.8 LT: Yes.

0:25:48.1 AT: Information is overwhelming for people, but when you give them an experience of what's happening, that's what's gonna educate their body, not just their mind, so they can create change as opposed to creating tension, which is what a lot of corrective exercises will do. People will just create tension in order to execute something.

0:26:03.9 DB: Lynn and Ann, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't ask the next question, which I am sure our listeners would be curious about, because you're the first person we've had on the podcast who works with professional sports teams and athletes. So my question is, How did that begin? And then how do you explain your work? Because I'm sure athletes and teams, I'm sure that they have a full line up of people from nutritionists, to physical therapists, to massage therapists they work with. Can you just describe that a little bit?

0:26:35.2 LT: Yeah, absolutely. I've been so blessed to work with a lot of great, great people. And I just think it was a blessing from God really. A lot of my old roommates were professional water skiers and wake boarders, and they know people. It's all about who you know. And so working with everybody from... And being in Orlando where there's tons of professional athletes here, you know, it really helps. But once again, athletes will do whatever it takes to get an edge and they wanna get out of pain fast. So it's all been a word of mouth, because they all know each other. But if I was a therapist who wanted to work with athletes, you don't go knock on the Dallas Cowboys' door and say, "Hey, I'm Lynn. I'm a therapist. I'm really good. You should hire me." They're gonna be like, "Yeah, get in line. Don't care." 'Cause it's really an old kind of old boys network. It's like whoever the orthopedic team is, the bot part of the team, and they got the marketing and then those guys are in charge and they bring in who they know, so...

0:27:37.7 AT: And you don't wanna be a team therapist.

0:27:39.9 LT: Yeah, I don't think people... It's good when you're younger to work with teams, but you get worked to death and you don't get paid well.

0:27:48.3 AT: And they don't care if you know things. I mean, it might be different on some teams, but therapists aren't looked at as the ones that are gonna figure out what's going on in the body. They're like, "Just rub them down, just relax them. What are you doing?" Not like, "Hey, this is a functional issue that's happening. How can you support that?" So all of your people are people who individually wanna get better results or get out of pain.

0:28:08.0 LT: Yeah, and it's fine. There was an NBA player I traveled with about 15 years ago. He had a real bad ankle injury and they couldn't figure it out. And so I was the guy, the stealth guy in the hotel room that he would walk in and get ready to go and play and come out and then we found out, Oh, he's had a broken ankle for two years, that they misdiagnosed and didn't do the right X-ray for. It's things like that. So it's there, but all that to get back to the question without rambling too much is, if I wanted to work with athletes, you've gotta find out who their influencers are, right? So first of all, you need to be a great massage therapist and you need to know your stuff, because they know. These guys are used to getting great work, so if you're not better than the guy next to you, they're gonna be like, "Oh, that's great. I won't call you again." Right? But basically when it started for me was knowing my old roommates, and then I had volunteered at a tennis tournament, and one of the tennis players had a bad wrist and the doctor was actually going to inject it, and I was just a therapist and I'm like, "Hey, it looks like this is going on. Can I help you?"

0:29:17.2 LT: And got the wrist better, he goes out to play tennis, and he was like the number two tennis player in the world at the time. He's like, "That's great." And then I got kicked out because I got him better and the doctor was there was gonna give an injection who probably hadn't treated a patient in 10 years. That's how these things work. The guy's administration, "Oh, I'm gonna go work with the athletes, but I don't... " It's a whole hierarchy thing. So I got kicked out for doing my job, and then they ended up grabbing me and I traveled with him for a while. When you're with an athlete like that, everybody wants to know who and where you are and that... So I got kind of lucky, but if I was a therapist today, I would say go to their trainers, right? 'Cause every one of those guys have a trainer off-site and say, "Hey, I'm Lynn. I know you're really awesome. I do this. Can I give you some free body work, 'cause I wanna get your input on it and all that." And if you're good, they're like, "You gotta get with my guys." So that's what I did. And I had all these golf coaches, all these trainers, and all these people still as my clients who send me the people, track coaches and all that. So you have to get to the people that have the relationships with the athletes, because trying to go to a center or a team and work there, it just doesn't work.

0:30:34.7 AT: Lynn also has a very high level of belief in the work. Belief and confidence go a long way and you wanna have the skills to back it up, but he's unique in this way and, I mean, there are other therapists around this way, but as I have seen him work, we can't go to a party without... If someone's there and they're like, "Oh, I've got a thing?" He's like, "Bam, let's fix it, what have we got? Let me show you these seven things, da-da-da-da-da-da-da." And then suddenly it's like a party trick and everyone's around and then they come see this person, that person, that person, and that just comes out of his genuine dysfunction, no...


0:31:12.2 LT: There is a lot of that, honey.

0:31:13.6 AT: Yeah, but like a genuine, a belief in the work and a desire to help and knowing that he can make a difference, and I think when... If you wanna work at a more advanced level like that you are, you're always... You're walking through the grocery store and it's like, "I'm seeing that pattern happening. I could make some sort of difference there," and you can't help yourself. It's not for everyone. You have to have a really high degree of confidence and belief in the work and high level of education to work with athletes at that level.

0:31:43.9 KC: Ann and Lynn, you have shared such incredible information already about how we as practitioners, our listeners can deepen our practices. What final thoughts do you have for us about ways we can do even more deepening going forward?

0:31:58.5 AT: Yeah, I think it has to do ultimately with knowing yourself. We've been given a certain education and other people's ideas and opinions, but you have to come back to who you are as a therapist, what work resonates with you and then be willing to go deep with that work and trust that there are clients who are the right clients for you. You don't have to be everything to everyone, but deepening into the things that are most impactful and meaningful for you, the more you have experience of that in your own self, your own body, I think the more impactful we can be with our clients. So doing your own self-work, your self-growth, discovery, and then having confidence in how we share that. Confidence and curiosity, how we share that with our clients.

0:32:48.1 LT: Yeah, absolutely. And I think too is just knowing, like Ann said, knowing yourself and deepening is just never stop learning, never get content with what you know and just try and get a little bit better every day in every aspect of your hands-on work in your business, and your service that you're providing, is just always find a way to do better.

0:33:08.8 AT: Yeah, the body is an infinite miracle. It's infinitely interesting and fascinating, and everybody has incredible stories to tell, and so we get to be the witness to that and help facilitate movement towards wholeness. And so I think staying in that space of discovery and wonder and curiosity is that that's where it stays fun and interesting.

0:33:34.5 LT: The more we learn, the more we realize we don't know anything. And so that's how we get you out of bed in the morning.

0:33:39.9 DB: I wanna thank our guest today, Lynn and Ann Teachworth. For more information about them and the work they're doing, visit Thanks, Ann and Lynn.

0:33:47.2 LT: Thank you.

0:33:47.9 AT: Thanks so much for having us.

0:33:51.3 KC: Thank you so much for that incredible conversation. I know that listeners are gonna be able to take a lot from that and apply it right to their practice.