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Ep 444 – The Interstate Massage Compact with Les Sweeney and Debra Persinger

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Skills and experience are transferable, but your state massage license is not. On this episode of The ABMP Podcast, ABMP President and CEO Les Sweeney is joined by Debra Persinger, Executive Director at FSMTB, to discuss the Interstate Massage Compact ( IMpact ), how it would affect practitioners, where it stands in regards to legislation, and how it would benefit consumers.

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Debra Persinger brings a rare combination of management experience, examination expertise, and national and state legislative know-how to the FSMTB. She has directed all psychometric aspects of examination development and was instrumental in offering award-winning quality assessment services for examinations for four certification and licensure programs.

After completing her undergraduate degree in human nutrition and postgraduate teacher training in her native New Zealand, Persinger completed her master’s degree in human development and family studies and her doctorate degree in human services at Kansas State University. She is a former university lecturer and has authored several publications, including a student study guide for human sexuality and an instructor’s manual on marriage and family, and coauthored Conversations with Teachers of Asian Medicine.

She serves on the board of two nonprofits. She frequently presents at national regulatory and credentialing conferences and has provided trainings for local and federal law enforcement agencies about the intersection of massage therapy and human trafficking.


Les Sweeney is the President and CEO of ABMP. For questions about this episode reach out by emailing



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